Curse

Professor K · Oct 02, 2009, 05:35 AM // 05:35

I would laugh if the same day these skill bar updates come out they will update the AI to properly use said skills.

stuntharley · Oct 02, 2009, 05:37 AM // 05:37

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Originally Posted by Professor K

I would laugh if the same day these skill bar updates come out they will update the AI to properly use said skills.

we know thats not going to happen >.>

Scary · Oct 02, 2009, 05:50 AM // 05:50

First of all,

Gratz to all winners, good job.

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Originally Posted by Professor K

I would laugh if the same day these skill bar updates come out they will update the AI to properly use said skills.

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Originally Posted by stuntharley

we know thats not going to happen >.>

would be a shame if they didn't update the hench, but than again most builds
wouldn't be that great in PvE.

GMJStrongbad · Oct 02, 2009, 05:52 AM // 05:52

/facepalm at this contest, gg wiki builds and lol @ the thought of henchies actually trying to use them correctly

Zodiac Meteor · Oct 02, 2009, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Whao guys, maybe your taking this to far.
Yes some bars are... horrible as AI doesn't know how to use them.

Didn't it cross your minds that Anet will update AI to make these bars better.

They aren't to replace players, sadly they aren't good subs either. Until a major AI update we are going to have to wait to use them.

Aba · Oct 02, 2009, 06:06 AM // 06:06

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gz to all who can copy paste from wiki.
fail contest.

Well said ......

Also even if the AI is changed.......it still is the bar there using that fails

Chocobo1 · Oct 02, 2009, 06:19 AM // 06:19

So uh, the whole "we want orginality" thing wasn't very important?

Seriously, these bars will not run on current heroes, and I'm sure Anet knows this. So even if AI is improved, I just got totally jerked around because I didn't copy PvX for the win.

WTB some actual care about this game.

Edit: This contest is the last straw. Good luck guys, I'm tired of being let down.

GWfan#1 · Oct 02, 2009, 06:24 AM // 06:24

Grats to all the winners. We will have to see how this plays out

Zodiac Meteor · Oct 02, 2009, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by GMJStrongbad

/facepalm at this contest, gg wiki builds and lol @ the thought of henchies actually trying to use them correctly

Not all of them are in meta,

I Will Win Ff build is... Shock sword? I hope the henchie will get an AI update to cancel his frezny.

Leet T H E O R Y is a hammer warrior, most of them runs earth shaker now a days, deaths charge needs to be fixed for him.

This Is Trigger is primal rage, still needs the same fix as I Will Win Ff.

Etron In Vitro is cripple shot, decent.

Lulu Xan is mage bane, it disappoints me that it's 4 skills different from Etron In Vitro.

Tannaros Tower Rush is VoR, it looks good. But the stance puzzles me as the henchie needs to be enchanted.

Cassie Santiago, this is new. I like it, not to bad.

Sacred Wolfy is... bad. The only reason it is bad is the henchmen can't pull off infuse well. Infusing spikes is about knowing your foe which AI can't do.

Il Juliya Il is RC, the only problem is that it is largely a part of meta.

Bellicus Magnus uses corrupt enchant, on originality it's worse than Cassies but I wouldn't mind taking this bar.

Dark Rising Shadow is LC... it's mostly meta and general players can easily roll this bar. It's decent but heroes won't use the AoE to effectively

A Papaya In There is blinding surge, doesn't look bad at all. I won't mind taking this henchie.

Luzy Of Fire is MB ele... didn't we have a huge problem with their builds before?

Mala Aurora is shatter stone. Thumbs up, I like it.

Hajime Hinata is Mirror of ice, I don't mind it.

Saint Reapers Sin probably won't use the build effectively unless a strong AI update.

Pseudo Antipathy is decent. Weapon spells puts me at bay.

Zen Si Ert is wounding strike, not much choices from elites to start with. But I won't mind taking this henchie along.

Aria Of Nerf is decent. Not at the good or bad bar, but not much you can do for Paragon.

Aurora Alessandra is cruel spear. I like it, I won't mind it.

Tiny Tina is shock axe, needs the same fix again.

Iarwain De Llanowar is hundred blades, I like, thumbs up.

Adepte De La Guerre is good, not sure if AI could handle frail.

Haldibarn Earendul is good. I'll take the henchie with me.

Unfaithful Servant is thumper.... straight from wiki... 0 points on originality. But it works.

Syn Spellstrike looks good, slowing spells, but 4 interrupts seem to much.

Leet Noobified is ok, rather have a person.

Healing Blocks is good. I won't mind taking this one into battle with me.

The Necromaxime is LC... not much to say but it's very close to wiki. It works though.

Eric The Devistator I like. I won't mind having this one.

Our Guild Is Leet problem is the snares, I hope it can use them well.

Bacchikoi Bacchikoi is decent, winters embrace spells trouble to me.

Der Held is bad, this henchie is out of energy in 3 seconds. Henchies will use Rodgorts to much.

Rolol Lololol is a little better, make haste can use a buff.

Pnoy Pride won't use YAA well... It's the worst from the list.

Hi Captain Obvious is decent. For support henchie I won't mind to much.

Le Boucher Alsacien is decent. I like it.

Uto Pro is good. I won't mind it either.

Khai Kemnebi is decent to.

Noodle Legs is good. I can take this henchie with me.

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When you look at the big picture, this isn't to bad. Needs to AI fixes. Even if a lot are meta you have to admit there are better than-

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A lot of bars without elites

Bingo.

Life Bringing · Oct 02, 2009, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Tannaros Tower Rush is VoR, it looks good. But the stance puzzles me as the henchie needs to be enchanted.

Pious Concentration blocks 1 interrupt regardless of enchantments.

The only bar that might be somewhat broken is the Coward Sin bar. I'm not sure how the AI works with Coward, but that could potentially be incredibly annoying. Mix it with weapon of Fury or some shit and you could potentially be knocking down anything that moves. Most of the bars are terrible and won't work well with ANY hero AI. Some of the para bars are bad, but i can see dual para being run with henchies now.

Yoom Omer · Oct 02, 2009, 06:39 AM // 06:39

*big smily "I expected this but still am surprised" here*. No, Wait.

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Not sure its big enugh though.
Hmmmm. Those bars are all (well, most) a PVX bar, and those that aren't are PvX bars with one of the skills changed... Now thats originality.

*guess who's back*

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Edge Igneas · Oct 02, 2009, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Pssh, way to be creative.

Out of all those entries there had to be something creative. But instead they picked something someone submitted from the meta. And I bet they weren't the only ones, I would bet on it that lots of people posted the same meta build, and when it came down to it the choice was random.

Grats though, I like some of the Para and Derv builds, one of the Ranger and Rit builds.

GMJStrongbad · Oct 02, 2009, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

When you look at the big picture, this isn't to bad. Needs to AI fixes. Even if a lot are meta you have to admit there are better than-

A lot of bars without elites

Bingo.

lol...at least the builds without elites would have been original...like the contest rules CLEARLY state. But pffft originality, who needs that

Lex · Oct 02, 2009, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Let me quote one of the developers:

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Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

Ok, let me clarify a couple of things here:

- We will manually pick the winning skill bars.
- We do want robust, general purpose builds, not some niche meta builds or builds that will not be immediately made obsolete by meta shifts.
- Common gimmick builds are not very likely to be picked

The point of this contest is not to find a 1:1 replacement for Heroes, but to offer henchmen with useful skillbars (read: useful but not making use of the AI advantages that certain Hero builds had) for players, who want to compete but are not able to field 8 human players.

They are not meant to replace human players.

So, are we, players, meeting two different ANets? One Anet (as above) trying to improve gameplay, the other one is lazy and brainless?

Important question: Is Martin Kerstein still employed?

No comments...

One more thing:

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General Conditions

* Originality: Entries must be the submission of the contestant and cannot be taken from any other source. Your submission must not infringe on any patent, copyright, trademark or other intellectual property right, or any privacy, publicity or publishing rights of any third party, or be libelous, obscene or otherwise contrary to law.

Do you think, that (for example) author of this page: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:N/E_HA_Lingering_Curse build, Frosty, can sue The Necromaxime and demand the reward for his work on pvxwiki? That would be funny and priceless!

Frosty, go go go!

mikeydj99 · Oct 02, 2009, 07:00 AM // 07:00

dude i was playing Mind blast for one of my friends ha team then i just decided to hit submit...and i won.... EPIC META MIND BLAST CHAMPION WITH SONG AND HASTE

The Ghetto Prophet · Oct 02, 2009, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Things I don't like:
A hench will never know what target to snare in a clutch scenario.
A hench will never know when or how to split.
Those necro bars will have big energy problems.
A hench won't know how to chiizu dance.
Using some of these skills in henchies means that the skills will probably remain untouched for quite some time *COUGH*ILLUSIONOFPAINCOUGH*

tealspikes · Oct 02, 2009, 07:03 AM // 07:03

lol @ people who still think anet picked these bars for their effectiveness. They arent that stupid. The entire point of this move was to kill heroes - this contest is nothing but a diversion.

Keyez · Oct 02, 2009, 07:07 AM // 07:07

gg to winners, another contest i couldn't enter.

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Originally Posted by The Ghetto Prophet

A hench will never know what target to snare in a clutch scenario.

This.

QueenofDeath · Oct 02, 2009, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

If you needed heros to play GvG and HA you should have quit a long time ago. If you lack the ability to be social and build up a friends list to field a team of 8 you really shouldn't be playing PvP at all. It is Player vs Player for a reason.

As I said M it's an extention of myself and last I heard as a person I am a PLAYER VS PLAYER. Plus I don't NEED anything in this game it's what I WANT which is quite different from NEED. So go read your dictionary and learn some good language and comprehension skills thank you bye now.

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Second-Strike · Oct 02, 2009, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Without these builds getting an AI update I can't see them getting run. I thought the point was to make useful bars that can be helpful to any team in the case a person on that team gets dced, avoiding situational skills that a hero probably wouldn't be able to apply when needed. I thought meta builds would be a poor choice because they would be sooner subjected to nerfs, destroying the whole point of the hench. Also most of those builds seem extremly energy intensive and without a human player's micro those hench are going to be sitting around a lot. I wonder if a-net even tested any of the winning builds to see how a hero would handle.

Warriors as a hench I really don't care about so I find it funny they recieved the most submitions for that. No matter how simplistic the build heroes can't run warriors as good as a person making it pretty much a wasted slot yet we get 3 of them... and a bunny thumper. The builds of any merit I see are the fire eles + air, the less situational necro builds, maybe the coward sin depending on how it wants to position itself, dervs would work but could be improved on, paras are a hit an miss depending on how badly they kill their energy maintaining aggressive, either bring more then 1 para or they would be more reliable without it. All the other ones it would take a human to handle.